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You have to see the forest for the trees.

That's how Zelda Zabinsky describes being a plant industrial engineer. "It's being able to see the big picture and explain it," she says. "Combined with technical skills and engineering problem-solving skills."

Zabinsky is a professor of industrial engineering at the University of Washington. She also works as an industry consultant. "I've helped a paper company deal with an optimization problem that helped them be more cost-effective." Zabinsky helped the company design software that would optimize its paper sizes.

A mechanical engineer might design a machine for use in a plant, but an industrial engineer knows how to use it.

"Sometimes you'll talk to a mechanical engineer and they'll say, 'I designed this machine and it's not being used.' That's because they designed to specifications without looking at the big picture. An industrial engineer talks to the mechanical engineer and thinks: How many machines can I use? Where should I place it in the factory? How will that affect our people?"

Zabinsky says plant industrial engineers also have to consider the cost-effectiveness of any proposal. "For example, I'm not going to put money into a machine in an area where I don't have demand," she says.

"I look at plant layout -- how material is moving through a variety of areas. Which way is it going from point A to point B, and do you need every machine to do that?" says Alan Margolese, a plant industrial engineer.

With his training as a professional engineer, Margolese could have ended up anywhere. "I just happened to end up in wood."

While much of his attention is focused on production issues, he's also consulted on many security issues. "I work with fire departments and insurance companies," explains Margolese.

When his company designs a new cabinet, it's Margolese who has to research and develop the design, change the specifications of different equipment to accommodate the new line and determine the number of people required to complete the project.

"That's something that's really important. You can program machines, but you can't program people."

You can't program people, but Zabinsky says industrial engineers learn how to work with people and get their best work. "People skills are important. Industrial engineering recognizes that, and technical things like math and physics."

One of Zabinsky's graduate students, Yvonne Sasmitra, has combined a computer programming background with a master's degree in industrial engineering. "I never really thought about wood products when I decided on industrial engineering. I just knew I liked engineering and I love the idea of designing and making things."

Sasmitra was hired to help design and implement a computer tracking system for a forest products company. She had to quickly learn a lot about the pulp-making process. "From chips to pulp, it goes through a number of different processes and equipment. At each step, you want to ensure quality and the right chemicals, for brightness and thickness," she explains.

On her first project, Sasmitra's computer knowledge and technical skills quickly gained the respect of her peers. "I was a major player. If they wanted to know things, they came to me." At the project's end, her manager complimented her on a job well done.

"He told me I was the second woman that could say it took two men to take over her job," she laughs. "It was true. When I left for another project, there were two men running around trying to learn the system. He told me the first woman was his wife, so I thought that was really nice!"

Industrial engineers have to be prepared to learn new technologies and processes throughout their careers. "I had to learn a lot about the woodworking industry before I could apply what I knew," admits Margolese. "Every day is a challenge. I don't think any day I've been here is the same as the day before."

"That's the great thing about industrial engineering," says Zabinsky. "People can go into wood fiber or other kinds of manufacturing, even the service industry."

Industrial engineers also make good candidates for advancement. "A lot of industrial engineers become CEOs because of their skills and ability to see that big picture."

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